: : All Utopians have this in common: they seek to overthrow, the methods vary, any current existing order they don't consider rational and replace it with one that has been specifically designed, a priori, instead of spontaneously evolved. : Well that rules me out:
: 1:I have no a priori plan of what a future society should be like, I only know it must involve the abolition of production for profit and economic exchange. to design a future world in toto is authoritarian, and I have had to defend my refusal to give designs on this board before.
: 2:My plans are based upon observation of poential that exists within teh world, and an application of those potentialities.- to whit that money and exchange must be removed, and production for needs, based on democracy placed instead...
You know what I actually believe you. Through our debate I've grown to realize that you are an intellectually honest person who's concerns are genuine; I still believe they're misplaced. However, read your compatriots to find that most are not like this. When your proposed paradigm starts failing due to natural growth patterns (such as the evolution of money) you will probably try and propose intermediate solutons and work with this unplanned spontaneous ordering. However, most here would tar and feather you as an enemy of the people for not sticking to the plan. This happened to LaPlace during the French Revolution.
: : The price mechanism is a millenia old historically evolved social tool.
: I thought you were suspicious of historical narrative?
Only as a tool for claiming prophetical abilities. As a descriptive regarding our knowledge and ability regarding current institutions and customs it's invaluable.
: Anyway, its done its job, it has universalised production, its now becoming redundant and harmful, so lets get shot of it...
: : I am opposed to utopianism in all its manifestations.
: So am I.
Well, if most socialist are like you we'll easily turn back to liquidity when people start developing it on their own. Just don't assume the same about your fellows.
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