:Lark's arguing an empirical observation I agree with whole heartedly. He then proceeds to advocate recreating, today, the conditions that allowed this to happen.Lark's doing what? I'm arguing nothing this was a post by some australian called "Dingo" not me. Got a worrying obsession thing going on here mate, how many sleepless nights have you had since you met me?
I'm not exactly Socialism incarnate you know but seeing as I'm here.
By the way advocating Libertarian Socialism, Anarcho-syndicalism and REAL anarchism I dont exactly see how that's contributing to recreating nazi germany, now does anyone else?
: We don't disagree. Again, utilitarian collectivism always defeats egalitarian collectivism. No value judgements here. Pure observation of verifiable and predictable phenomena.
Bullshit. If "egalitarian Collectivism" choose to mess about with the runic alphabete and the other imagery nazis used to create a cult status they be just as successful. I hear a commune run a the Provisional Communist Organisation or something similar in America done just that and attracted a lot of support before the feds blasted them.
: Construct? Construction requires an act of will by a specific purposeful mind. Generate, maybe? Definitely not construction, as only individuals possess a will and a purposeful mind. Evolve from, though, is probably the most accurate.
Yes, (SIGH) it's been said before and it'll be said again, Capitalism is not a natural state it is a construction of an emerging bourgousie class.
: Mmm. I actually gave Lark precise empirical studies earlier and he replied that he 'didn't believe the little men in the white lab coats.' Maybe you're different.
If you accuse us of presenting propaganda as evidence and of holding only opinions not facts up for scrutiny then I am perfectly justified in accusing you of the same as I said of the "Little men in white coats".
: National economic indicators show a direct relation between GDP growth and lower regulation coupled with more property delineation (see Cato Journal, Winter 1999). Yes, Cato is a libertarian journal so I suppose you dismiss it out of hand. If, indeed you do, why did you ask for empirical evidence given that any support I produced would automatically classify it as a tool of oppression?
Now your hitting upon the paradox, if all the evidence is suspect and rational debate and deduction can therefore not take place then hey victory to the popular.
Besides what has GDP to do what so ever with anything a country can be doing a roaring trade, as nazi germany did, but it's proletariat may be the victims of totalitarian manipulation.
: Again, contrast this with USSR, Cuba, etc. I'm not promoting Pinochet.
Your point to your opponent as if it meant anything in itself, our opponents too I might add.
:I'm just saying that fascism is more utilitarian than socialism.
So you find one form of repression preferable to another, obviously not a Jew or one of the potential victims for nazi hatred are you?
None.
