: McSpotlight: Is it individual liberty to kill anyone you don't like? Thats ridiculous - to ask it is to not understand the meaning. removing force from human relations means from all of them - force means political force - freedom from the force of others not from starvation or illness or whatever. To be free of starvation one must set about getting food, to free of others requires simply that they don't use force against you. Thats complicated? Or is it just evaded?
All those who hate capitalism (bill - maybe understanding it would help you make reasoned arguments against it) answer this. What gives you the right to force another person into something he does not choose for himself. Answer - you dont have that right, you simply rely on force of numbers, like any gang.
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McSpotlight: If you're going to argue absolute individual liberty, then you have no right to curb the actions of others, even if it involves attempting to kill you (although you have every right to defend yourself). Any society in which force is absent is a society that runs (and stays peaceful) through group co-operation, not by individual liberty, regardless of whether the co-operation is a "balance of power" or a community ethic.
That's what I was commenting on - the fact that acting according to law is an act of co-operation with your fellow citizens who also act within the law.
You can only be free of other individuals using force against you if you all agree to act in that way.
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