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A pre-capitalist revolutionary, hey if they didnt like money then what'd they think now.

Posted by: The Lark ( ICA, Ireland ) on June 23, 1998 at 16:08:29:

In Reply to: Who was it that said posted by Jary on June 19, 1998 at 10:31:39:


: I honestly dont think that the democracies of the west provide adequate forums that allow for the demise of the popularity of capitalism. Now in a democracy, popularity counts since whats popular gets the most votes.

This is true, Jary, but dont go all cynical the US lefties are great because they are characutised as full of a mad hope and uncompromising happiness in the face of "it all".

: Posting signs is highly useless since they have a tendency of vanishing the next day. Talking about socialism among friends is usually overridden by some individual's selfish change of topic. All other forms of media beyond speech are reserved for the wealthy (ie television and radio.) You cant speak through either of these megaphones unless you've got coin. But, then again, there is no huge access fee to post messages on the internet.

This is very true but think of it like this Anarchism, Socialism, communism etc. all have had terrible damage done to them by their adversaries and proponents.

Think as Marx did (or whoever you favour as a philosophical inspiration) dont talk as a marxist, as Gramsci pointed out there's a hidden army of persuaders who, sometimes unawares, maintain the status quo, we should be like them.

Moralising and rationalising can build up far greater anti-capitlist, anti-privilege sentiment than the sow on political tagging that has been left in the wake of the "end of ideology" and "not politics, politics is boring" schools (which are really engineered social trends to concrete economical laissez-faire as scentifically correct and develop and unconsiouss neo-classical liberalism) since the 60's.

I mean I know some feircely proletarian christians, I mean Christians? with their reactionary views on other things taking an anti-apitalist stand.

: I never feel so great after giving stuff to homeless people by the following thought : I, as a human being, have no right to judge total strangers, yet by giving a homeless person something I am making a kind of decision of power, which feels weird since no human being should really have power over another. Power here is defined as an ability to significantly inhibit another person's life. I give stuff anyway, but it doesnt fix the problem.

Fair enough, but did it prevent you giving? Also ask yourself how much of this is a mindset created by the unconsiouss greedy who really think they'd give in different circumstances.

: Who was it that said "there will always be the poor"? Maybe in a capitalist society. This statement alone is enough to convict capitalism to eternal damnation.

you think it was said by that pre-capitalist revolutionary Jesus Christ and I think it went something like "the poor you will always have with you".

This doesnt mean we can't change it, it just means there'll always, always be someone who needs some help or support.

: In closing, I think cities should sponsor a day called bum-day. Everyone could dress up in rags, hang out in the city park and fast for a good twenty-four hours. Even when a real socialist government gets established, the least popular element of society should continue to be recognized on a certain day of the year.

Excellent Idea Jary, yet another one I might add, it's very perceptive to realise that establishing a different social order wont change everything, realistic you might say.




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