:Robert: Good to hear from you. I don't know the documentary that you are speaking about. I don't get to watch much TV since I don't have one, however, there are some scientists (rightly or wrongly) who subscribe to this or similar theories. DDN: I submit that it is impossible for them to subscribe to such a theory SCIENTIFICALLY. They are merely mapping their religious/intuitive beliefs onto real science. You do know what science is don't you?
Robert: ....To read one such view CLICK HERE.
:DDN: Here's what I found:
"Such a universe Kant reasoned might permit an infinite number of random chances. Thus even such highly improbable events as atoms self-assembling into human beings might be possible. God, then, becomes unnecessary."
DDN: Kant is not speaking from science any more than you are or the psuedo scientists that refute him on this website are. He is being quoted on a personal theological position - one that is dependent on his personal christian perspective on what "God" is. That's not science. Get a grip. These "scientists" are trying to argue with Kant in the field of philosophy and fantasy....not SCIENCE.
Case in point: How does it follow, from the observation that improbable events become more probable over the course of time, that no real intelligence exists in the universe? The answer: It DOESN'T. Not unless your brain is a pea rolling down an eight lane highway.
First you want to argue that the universe is only 10,000 years old because the bible says so then you want to align yourself with science by claiming that the universe is 15 billion years old and Jesus created it. What a bunch of losers.
:Robert: ...Give it a go. Look through the interesting resource material on the home page and let's discuss.
DDN: Been there. Done that. Its a theological debate - not a scientific one. The word "Jesus" is not etched on the surface of subatomic particles. THAT would be SCIENTIFIC evidence that this Jesus character had an exclusive hand in creating reality. Christianity simply wants to displace science with a storybook fairytale because science (pure reason and observation) has some pretty bad things to say about Christianity and the Holy Babble. These are not scientists - these are religious fanatics that aren't broad minded enough or honest enough to see that "God" exists outside of their pathetic little, power hungry Hebrew mythology, period....above and way way beyond a character in a history book.
:Robert: I think it revolves around the fact that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
DDN: It revolves around my buttocks, Robert. That's what it revolves around. How is this a "Fact", robert, how? Do you know what a "fact" is? What special, private definition of the word "Fact" are you stretching for here. You've got words in a book, Robert....words in a book. They might very well be exclusively representative of ultimate reality but just the fact that you have read them in a book does not make them so. Otherwise, I could open any book on my bookshelf and point to a random page and say, "See there! Moby Dick created the universe!" How stupid does that sound? That is how stupid you and 2 billion christians sound to the rest of us. Why don't you stop embarrassing yourself in front of God and everybody and confess that the Bible has about as much to say about SCIENCE as the hairs on my rectum do.
Go ahead and keep your christian faith if that's what you need to know that raping and murdering is wrong - more power to ya. But to label a character in a book as the exclusive creator of the universe because the same book eludes to the concept of "expansion" is to stoop to a level of intellectual insult beyond compare.
:Robert: Moses scribed the beginning to time / space which God created (Genesis 1), hence a Beginner was neccessary to form this singularity.
DDN: "A beginner"? Yeah....so? How do you get the letters 'J' 'E' 'S' 'U' 'S' as a scientific conclusion from this.
Yes, I know you read it in a book, Robert...please stop boring us to death....that's not what I'm asking. How did you arrive at "Jesus" scientifically? The answer: You did NOT.
Moses scribed "the beginning to time / space". Don't you mean to say that moses scribe "A" beginning to time space? Why are you using the word "THE"? What scientific methodolgy did you use to conlcude that Moses's scripture is "THE" description of the beginning of time and space. The answer: You did not use a scientifc methodolgy...you are preaching a religious faith. That is not SCIENCE, Robert. Did you play hookie from science class in highschool? Do you have even an inkling of what science is, robert? Shouldn't you know at least the very basics of a subject before you go about discussing it?
Here, I'll scribe the beginning of space time right here and then I'll name the creator of the universe....ready?....
First there was nothingness. Then out of the nothingness came everything. Then, in the midst of that everything came a man called Bob Smith who is one and the same as the creator of everything.
There you have it: Bob Smith is the creator of the universe. Glad we got that settled. Are you doubting the soundness of my science? Why? I'm using the exact same principles as you are. You've just read that Bob Smith is the creator of the universe. Rock solid science. You're doubting me only because you do not have faith. Looks like you'll be going to hell. Sorry.
:Robert: ...the prophet Isaiah scribed the expanding universe. These items, apparently confirmed in modern astrophysics,
DDN: I cut a fart and proclaimed, "Behold, there are balls of gas". 4000 years later someone discovers that there are balls of gas floating in outerpsace. How accurate of an understanding of reality can I claim to have? Likewise, to guess accurately that the universe is expanding is nothing to warrant a group ejaculation. EVERYTHING is getting either bigger or smaller. That gives you a fifty percent chance of being correct about the expanding universe. Big deal. Why are christian psuedo scientists so proud of this? Its embarrassing to witness their lack of a second grade education about probabiltiy.
Robert: ...led to the conclusion that Christ was the Creator.
DDN: Yes, a conclusion that has absolutely nothing to do with science.
Robert: .... Certainly, Moses and Isaiah were not trained in these areas and to be so accurate...
DDN: To be so accurate? Are you insane? Accurate about what? I could have pulled a more accurate guess out of my ass. I thought the bible said that the earth was only a few thousands years old. What happen to THAT model? Is it accurate or not? How can the universe be billions of years old and be only thousands of years old simultaneously?
Robert: ....does confirm that the Bible is more than man's invention. It must have been God given.
DDN: Robert, you don't know the first thing about logic, science, or even honesty and integrity for that matter. You are lost and I feel sorry for you. I only hope that other lost people that encounter you can find their way out of darkness with you standing their in front of them making up your own biblical theology and preaching your own self created god as EVERYONE's God. Sad. Just plain sad dude.
:Robert:.... God Bless.
DDN: You are a fake and a liar.
