I never offerred to submit such a probe myself. I was hoping that the religion/god debators on this forum would be smart enough to 1) recognize the need for such a probe without prompting and
2) be able to conduct one without hand holding
If I'm wrong......well then I guess meaningful religeous discussion is just pointless in this room if no one else feels obliged to define what they mean by "god" before launching into what ought to be the most profound discussion any group of human beings can possibly have.
Alas, all we seem to have here are brainwashed Christian fanatics and disgruntled atheist sufferring from a Christian hangover and mistaking their discomfort for "scientific reasoning" - so much so that I can't tell which of the two camps is the least rational anymore. The atheists, no matter how long they pontificate over this matter, inevitably seem to be pasionately arguing about the existence of "Jehova" - not "God". Jehova, at best, was a pesky alien being from one of millions of technologically advanced races that came here for gold and animal blood and, at least, is a completely ficticious character from the folklore of one religious denomination in one part of one planet in one microscopic point in time. When are we going to discuss REAL religion and leave this rediculous fairy tale behind (or turn it over to the archeologists to learn more about alien races)?
I submit "I am" to illustrate my point. Some of the older, more evolved cultures on this planet are rooted in the understanding that everything in the universe (matter, thoughts, emotions, events) are nothing more than reflections of our own consciousness. If this is true then the ultimate eternal reality is that YOU are the ultimate eternal reality i.e. God, and hence proof of God would require no more than the experience of your own awareness or.....I Am. Are you.
