:DDN : :In a side by side comparison, I don't see any LOGICAL reason to favor pigs over humans; I see only the EMOTIONALY charged reason that other humans look more like ME than pigs do.:Cope: Well, morality IS emotional NOT logical.
DDN: Then why are you trying to make logic based arguments to support the morality of Hopi Eagle Torture?
:Cope: Besides it is hardly the mere fact of appearance that compels you to rescue the human before the pig. If you refuse to accept that humans have more moral worth than animals then you are left with the situation where the moral value of a human and a mosquito ARE equivalent and that is clearly erroneous.
DDN: I'm not quite following you here. What do you mean exactly by 'moral worth'? Perhaps this would be a good time to pause and define what we mean by 'morality'. Care to take a stab at it? In the mean time,
I don't see mosquitos torturing anything they don't have to in order to survive. That fact alone is enough to make a comparison of mosquito and human morality unclear to me.
:DDN: THAT'S specieism and that's the mentallity I see you attempting to veil with your overly inflated sympathy for the Hopi's barbaric eagle torture ritual,
:Cope: What is this 'barbaric' crap. You onl;y consider it so because you do not understand it.
DDN: What is there to understand? Being buried alive is probably a really horrible experience - isn't that a reaonable assumption? What information am I missing that would make burying birds alive seem acceptable. Explain it to me. Your only argument seems to be based on the fact that the Hopis are humans and the birds are not. That is the apitomy of lame specieist arguments. You claim that humanity has an inate moral superiority that makes the eagle torture ok, but this is a flatly contradictory claim; if humans are torturing eagles and eagles are NOT torturing humans, who is morally superior to whom?
:Cope: Anyway, it's not sympathy i have for the hopi, it is respect.
DDN: Do we have to respect EVERYTHING that other people do in order to respect other people?
: DDN: a scenario baring no resemblance to my rediculously gratuitous pig/human example (unless, of course, someone can prove to me that Hopis will suffer greater pain than the eagles if they are not allowed to torture the eagles to death).
:Cope: Well, isn't THAT what i've been saying all along?
DDN: Yes, Cope, but you're not backing it up with anything except an extemely illogical specieist argument. You just keep repeating the same bogus argument over and over again i.e. Humans are superior because…….they are superior………..because they are superior. They're morally superior to eagles so it is not immoral for them to toture eagles…….contradictory crap like that. Hopis are more sensitive and feel more pain than eagles so this gives them the right to torture other animals. The premise is blindly assumptive and specieist and the inference is ABSURD and specieist.
Hopis will suffer greater pain because…………………..why? Do they need to sufficate eagles to death more than the eagles need to breath?
None.
