Well, here you are MDG butting in on MY testimonial. Although i had previously vowed 'never to read one of your inane posts again' i was drawn by a wonder of what scurrilous slander you would attempt to lay against my name. So let me just sayi) Yes i do think humans have more moral worth than animals, but i would question the sanity of anybody who did not think this. I NEVER SAID ANIMALS HAD NO MORAL WORTH. However i find the concept of 'coin flipping' repugnant.
ii) As to the suffering of animals spiritually, i would have to say that is a highly dubious claim and one that commits the sin of thinking that animals and humans are identical. I NEVER SAID ANIMALS COULD NOT SUFFER merely that i was sceptical that they possessed higher emotional states. Talk about people latching onto throw away comments and turning them into a banquet...
iii) The question which i asked you to consider was whether more harm would be done to the hopi by extinguishing their practices than the harm done in allowing them to continue. Morality is ultimately a question of value and, as unhappy as it may sound to your ears the value of spirituality to the hopi may exceed the life of a few eagles culled every year (But than as i said earlier, quite reasonably i believe, this is a question of fact to be determined).
God dammit you piss me off MDG.
: : I agree that your posts always had logical arguments, and I hope you'll reconsider leaving. Your insights, while not always popular, were always interesting, and besides, I, personally, would miss you.
: : -Floyd
: Floyd, you surprise me. I don't doubt you'll miss Cope, and I won't argue with you that his insights were not always popular, but what's with the praise of his logic? In his arguments with me about animal rights, he claimed that with regard to animals, humans were superior, that morality only attached to humans, and that animals (in a particularly odious post, I thought) could not suffer spiritually. As Sir Gideon has so aptly demonstrated to me, these assertions cannot be proved by logic, but are mere statements of opinion, faith, or even emotion. Cope may have had his logical moments, but his diatribes against animal rights were not among them.
: That said, I did like all his other posts. As for animal rights, he needs to lay off the meat -- that would clear his mind up real fast.
