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The Bible says it's dark; my eyes say it's light...I know where my money goes.

Posted by: Gideon Hallett ( UK ) on December 02, 1999 at 16:17:27:

In Reply to: Yes, I choose the Bible as my justification posted by Gotch on December 02, 1999 at 14:57:12:

: Two points further: Yes, I choose the Bible as my justification -- and to such an extent that if my personal experience conflicts with it, then I don't trust my personal experience.

Which is dogmatic in the extreme. Philosophers and scientists should always take great pains to avoid blind repetition of dogma; if an observed bit of data conflicts with your theory of the universe, you should always be ready to rethink your theory from the ground up.

Religion can't do this; there are some concepts that no religion can do without; such as the existence of God.

: Secondly, many individuals -- scientists and not, including textbook writers -- have stated that evolution has been proved.

Cite them, then. There is proof to support evolution, but evolution has most definitely not been finally proved. It is and will remain a work in progress. If it had been conclusively proved, it would be a theorem, not a theory.

: If evolution were considered just one viable possibility of two viable possibilities, there would be much less difficulty, but evolution is taught as fact, not as theory, in most instances.

This isn't the fault of the theory of evolution; merely the school system. Seminary schools treat the existence of God as fact; you have to accept the existence of God as fact to stay there. What would happen if you tried teaching the theory of evolution as a possible reality in your seminary school?

: As for a sufficiently complex organism or structure that can't be explained by small changes, let's begin with a rock, progress to DNA molecules and go to any living organism -- how could ANY of these have come about by small changes? And to start with, changes in what? There would have to be original material from somewhere.

OK, you've obviously not read that same old page in enough detail, despite my telling you some five times now; go here...

Where does something come from?; it can't come from nothing?; why not; because of causality.

You're trying to use causality to prove the unprovable again; didn't you get it straight last time; didn't I point it out to you clearly enough? - any God is alogical and you cannot use logical ideas to 'prove' God.

Gideon.


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