: But back to the animals: If animals have rights just because WE give them to them, then WE can take them away. And WE can also take them away from you. And YOU can also take them away from me. In either case, we'd be just like Hitler, Stalin, etc., who took the power upon themselves to determine what rights others did or did not have -- in many cases often deciding that Jew didn't even have the right to life, let alone liberty and the pursuit of happiness.My point exactly. Rights are given, by people to people, and by people to animals. It's time to give animals the right not to be harmed and killed by people, except in self-defense.
: And which animals? Sure, deer are cute and kittens are cuddly, but what about spiders or cockroaches? Do they have a right to live where you live (not in my house, they don't). Do they have a right to be free from the threat of Raid?
Ideally, yes. At some point, however, if cockroaches threaten your health, and you need to kill them to protect yourself, so be it. Personally, if I don't have an infestation, I try to remove the bugs from my house without killing them.
: No, I'm not talking about animal cruelty. I enjoy our pet dog and our pet cat, and I didn't mis-treat the animals on the farm, either. But I do eat at McDonalds, Burger King, and the steak house.
And I didn't chain that child laborer to his loom, I just bought the rug. Of course, without my buying the product, the rug maker would not be in business. Same goes with meat: your dollars pay for the animals to be kept in miserable factory farms, and then brutally killed in slaughterhouses. You are responsible for these things, Gotch, when you support them with your money.
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