: Thanks for letting me know that my approval or disdain is irrelevant to you, that it needed saying at all is telling. Actually that wasn't intimidation, that was just me being a smart ass. Just because you candy coat your debates with high flummery doesn't make them any less antagonizing than mine. It takes alot more to get a picture of someone than assumption.You’re welcome. It is ‘telling’, you see – telling you that, stomp and pout as you might, my stance on the issues will not deviate from what I perceive to be reasonable. Calling someone a neo-Nazi, a Klansman (as calling someone a communist ought to be) or some such is hardly ‘being a smart-ass’; it is an insult, designed to imply that the target does not deserve a hearing. I simply wish to pass on the fact that your negative opinion has been duly noted, and given the toss.
: I think we have a same basic belief, I just prefer cutting to the chase. I contend fear & ignorance are the basis of alot of these problems, and you seem to agree at least with the ignorance part.
I wish to dispel this bit of foolishness. There seems a tendency on the part of the ‘soft’ left to believe that inside the mind of a violent transgressor is a poor, scared little child, desperate for some careful nurturing and understanding. It is this sort of silliness that allowed Hitler to get his army into fighting trim in the first place. If one looks hard enough, I suppose one might find this fearful little youngster; I would contend, however, that on more careful inspection one might find this toddler gutted, a very calculating lizard-like predator hiding within, quite aware of the impact that this ‘guise’ might have on the overly idealistic. One need only go so far as to read the correspondence of the Nazis as per the Chamberlain administration of pre-war Great Britain (and the attitudes of the communists as well, during the Fourth Polish Partition period).
A simple rule of thumb - if someone fears something, he tends to avoid it. Invasions, pogroms, 'final solutions', etc. do not normally involve avoiding the target group concerned. Thus, why the macho thug might avoid the cop, and beat the queer (although an armed and belligerent practitioner of the homosexual lifestyle would be another matter entirely, I would suspect).
: I have not seen 'shoah' but likely many other similar things. Our interpretation of such information may not necassarily be the same. But I will look for it at the library.
: I think your first point is the same thing I was driving at with old poles(for example, since I am polish it's a personal interest) who confessed to self serving motives, not racism. I guess if you regard psycology as insulting nonsense(incidentaly the field has grown since frued), then greed is just greed. But to others there are motivations to such greed. For example, I want my jewish neighbors fancy house and if I go along with this nazi thing I can take it from him with no consequence. Now what feelings gave me a desire for a bigger nicer house? greed, but what motivated it? My house was just fine before. perhaps to impress people, hmm why would I desire to do that? I don't believe it's as pact as you imply.
Some critical points:
-Why being Polish might make the Polish role in the Holocaust of personal interest is somewhat confusing. I, for example, am personally interested in the role played by the various parties in pre-communist China, yet have nothing which might be called ‘Chinese blood’. This hobby of ethnicity that seems to be popular nowadays is rapidly turning into something of a hysterical cult. Please – if you are intent on a ‘personal’ interest, try to avoid making it based on something so arbitrary as an accident of birth.
-As to the ‘nonsense of Freud’, I should like you to peruse the works of a one Dr. Marvin Minsky, who is a professor researching artificial intelligence at MIT. Frequently in this Freudian system of analysis, valid ideas that are ‘disagreeable’ are chalked up to some obscure neurosis or other, in an attempt to trivialize the speaker/writer. The Old Man himself used such techniques to convince a hesitant young lady to accept the ‘intimate duties’ called upon her by the elder male party of an arranged marriage. I personally find these ploys beneath my contempt.
-Why would someone want a bigger house? Hmm … this is a tough one. Gee. Why would I wish to trade in my drafty, rat-infested hut for the elegant estate on the hill? Especially if I might also participate in the fun of batting the black-robed outsider about - without fear of reprisal? Read your Old Man’s thoughts on aggression; even he picked up on this one.
Of course, afterwards I am suitably appalled at what transpired. Of course I was forced to participate at gunpoint in this most horrible display. And no, you may not have MY mansion back, your dastardly Pro-Semite you. Let the survivor of Auchwitz live in that old hut – if he dares…
: Nope sorry, not news to me. The holocost is an ongoing interest for me. Hitler never physically killed a jew with his bare hands, but with his influence, killed 6 million. Yes sadly it does not seem to take much to get this sort of a ball rolling.
No, it doesn’t. Nor did it in Russia, for similar reasons. I myself have the sneaking suspicion that the real crime of Mr. Hitler was not so much involving himself in the nastiness of genocide, but actually in being so committedly anti-communist. He was seen by some as a trainable German version of Lenin, or perhaps as a helpful stooge who might speed the inevitable communist takeover along. He really put a scare into the internationals, and they’ve never forgiven him for it. This would explain why many of the same people who are so appalled at this carnage in Europe seem not to bat an eye when worse, fresher transgressions of common decency occurred in Asia (especially in South East Asia – or perhaps M. Zedong, H. C. Minh and P. Pot were only being smartasses).
: I once said "well I never" to someone who was quite forward with me, to which they replied, 'maybe that's your problem' hahaha food for thought
All I can say to this kind offer is, “Thank you, but I believe I must rebuff you.” No offense intended, of course – for someone so kind to offer up such precious “fare”.
: So what are you really saying here. I am trully curious. You think I feel morally superior to you? (DC: No. I do not think you so foolish. I believe that you are attempting to give the impression that this is so, in an attempt to bolster a faulty position) I don't even know you.I don't think I feel that towards anyone. Frustration towards some maybe(DC: Your feigned innocence is truly touching). If someone were a neo nazi, I would have an emotional response to that, that I wouldn't term juvenile or unscrupulous (DC: Very likely not. It would be up to others to take note of said motivations which, if you were a leftist, would likely become painfully obvious over time). Understandable maybe. I hear there are still many neo nazi's around so I did not think it so unusual a question to ask, and I can't imagine anyone getting on a chair in a crowded room and announcing such a thing (DC: If I were, I would have not hesitation in announcing it, on a chair in a crowded room or otherwise. I have announced my Republican tendencies to Angela Davis in person – at no less than a communist rally; have attempted to join the Black Muslims at a similar function and, once rebuffed, chastized the speaker for his racism; have been threatened with bodily harm and death by Sandanistas for my vocal 'expressionism' at one of their fund raising affairs; have been summarily barred on more than one occasion from open meetings of the local Communist party for quietly questioning them in regards to the very topics of discussion they had chosen … I have even appeared on local television, in protest of a protest made towards the Persian Gulf war. I have lost many friends and have suffered numerous social rebuffs in regards to holding decidedly conservative ideas in a decidedly liberal region. The reason I do not express a belief in the ideology of the Nazis is because they are wrong, and violently so. For identical reasons, I do not claim to be a communist).. And i've already experienced the tollerance, or lack of, for homosexuality.(DC: The same could be said for celibacy. Very recently, in fact, I have been ridiculed for my own preference. Does this ring a bell, dear?)
Perhaps if you would take a moment to look at the radical left-wing movements of Europe in more detail, with an eye less towards how such ‘scholarship’ might advance your own ideological agenda, you might more clearly see the relationship between a murderous totalitarian ideology based on degrading traders and a murderous totalitarian ideology based on degrading an ethnic group popularly associated with trading. At the very least, it might make you a bit less flustered when dealing with those of us who have.
