: Dude, what is wrong with just using words as they are commonly understood? So what if Wester had an esoteric reference.Because I am looking behind teh immediate meaning to the history of how that meaning was produce, and the power relationships behind that meaning.
I have to ask again- why is normal superior to abnormal, as it is commonly used.
: You haven't the capacity to shoulder this, nor do you have the emotional stability to absorb the sum total of human suffering. No one does. But if you take care of your neighbor, and he takes care of his neighboe, and so on, and so on... Doesn't the inherant inefficiency of massive institutional redistribution scare you or do you see humans as capable of running a huge enterprise like that without the kind of corruption that history has shown us is inevitable?
But you could look at your role in the system, and say 'should I be doing this', could I campiagn to change the system? We don't need massive institutional redistribution, we just need to take control of the wealth for ourselves, no state, so no possibility for corruption.
: I meant biblical homosexual marriage. Check the context again.
But the point remains, 'render unto caesar' and all that- could a Xtian recognise a State Sanctioned queer marriage?
: Actually, I've not answered because my plans to rule the world are time consuming. Don't even mention Kinsey to me Deathy. He has no standing in any reputable circles anymore.
Hmmm, the Kinsey scale remains currency AFAIK.
: First, I would suggest that you should turn down an offer from a woman who you were attracted to for health and moral reasons if she is not your wife.
Well, lets assume its an offer of marriage, she does not attract me, she truns me down. Anyhow, she might have just wanted to wank me off...
: Second, It is natural to be attracted to her. It is natural to be attracted to any good looking female if you are male.
Its natural to walk backwards off a cliff wanking...so what?
:The question is, if you are attracted to good looking females, why are you not attracted to good looking males?
Define good looking, I've known plenty of 'Classicly' beautiful women that have done nothing whatsoever for me, many people would find my partner choices quite hideous I'm sure.
Perhaps we could say that I am only interested in a certain set of features, regardless of gender, which I may find in a person, features which are indefinable.
:You see Deathy, there is quite a difference between turning down a male for sex - attractive as he may be and a bad looking female.
Why? they both fail to have the attributes to which I am atracted.
Further, the only difference I can see here is your repeated assertion that one is 'natural' and the other not- arguument by assertion is bad form, stu.
You can only find a difference between the two forms of attraction by appeals to nature, appeals which I refute, because nature is a load of bollocks. Atom bombs are natural.
: Of course you do it for entirely different reasons! But I certainly don't need to tell you how you really feel about these things. You lose this argument by acknowledging that you are not attracted to any male sexually.
Why, I'm not attracted to any skinny women either.
Also, you're projecting your schema again, I deny I'm atracted, and you imply that I'm covering over a secret disgust- I'll admit, i'd be very nervous if a man made a pass at me (don't like turning folk down, and being the nuerotic twat I am, I ge nervous when women make passes at me...).
: You can't win this by saying your not repulsed in some way by homosexuality and then out of the other side of your mouth admit that there are no men (or couldn't be) who interest you.
I don't say that, I simply say there are non as such have ever turned me on. And there is a big diffrence between indifference, and disgust, this is the crux of my argument, and the one which you are trying to avoid by mere assertion of your views- answer the point, man, is indifference the same as disgust?
I don't like Coca-Cola, but I don't find it disgusting.
I could turn this round and point out that many gay men are utterly uninterested in women.
What you are doing here is totalising your nice schema:
1:Homosexuality is inherently disgusting to heterosexuals.
2:If anyone doesn't find it disgusting they are homosexual.
I am not repulsed by homosexuality, I am repulsed by human beings who I do not find attractive.
:Men and women have normal desires for their sexual opposites and those that have desires for the same sex are quite abnormal and abberant.
5'10" is normal, 3'4" is abnormal and abberent- your problem is?
How about some honest argument, rather than assertion and projection.
