: McSpotlight: The trouble being that both sides are playing the role of defence and anti-defamation; a remark that is (perhaps unintentionally) offensive gets taken as reason to go on the offensive as a form of defence (being the best form, etc, etc). Ah but one side originally attacked the Catholic church as a big old blood drenched evil, that was absolutely heretical in religious terms. To let that go unchecked merely reinforces the prejudices that concocted it.
: Both of you obviously believe yourselves to be right and the other to be wrong; you're dealing with an issue of history where both sides have committed good and bad deeds and there is no actual way of telling who, if any, are right.
I dont see why anyone has to BE WRONG for me to be right, I'm a libertarian I can tolerate difference without using terror or insult in any form to force people to accept my position.
: I guess it fits into the wider debate; we are dealing with a belief here; you either believe or you don't; if you don't, then that belief is not yours and people espousing that belief are opposing you when their belief opposes you.
: The reason I don't think it's a proper "debate" as such; can either of you provide objective and debated proof that the other is wrong, given that we are dealing with intangibles? I'd be extremely surprised if either could.
I think prejudiced and intolerant remarks are tangibly wrong. That's why I entered the debate in the first place, if it had been general anti-clericalism, anti-institutionalism, that had spurned this debate I'd have cheered or not responded but it was specifically anti-catholicism. The world's full of people who say I'm wrong in the religious field, that's fine I dont care but I hope for everyones sake that I'm right and a God and afterlife exists that doesnt consist of fuedalist adoration of a God filled with the "human virtues" of rage, anger and irrationalism.
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McSpotlight: OK, so (deliberately) prejudiced and intolerant remarks are wrong; Shaun has just posted a message to the effect that he didn't actually share the views on the sites he linked to. How about a little peace, love and understanding all round?
