Day 250 - 15 May 96 - Page 44

     
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     2   Q.   This is when Mrs. Brinley-Codd visited the next day and saw
     3        you and Mr. Carroll and ----
     4        A.  I am not sure who else she saw.
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     6   Q.   I thought that is what had been said.  You do not remember?
     7        A.  No, I saw her the next day, I do not know when
     8        Mr. Carroll saw her or, indeed, anyone else saw her.
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    10   Q.   I think Mr. Carroll did say he had seen her.  Why did you
    11        not walk up to me and ask me for a copy of the leaflet?
    12        A.  I did not want to.  I first thought about just picking
    13        one up from the bundle, but I thought it would a better
    14        idea to have it served on me.
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    16   Q.   Yes.  So, you could have walked over to me, said 'I would
    17        like to read one of them, can you give me one?'?
    18        A.  No, I did not want to have any kind of confrontation
    19        with you, you were already under observation.  I took the
    20        walk round the building and got one from the guy at the
         top.  I did not know there was a man at the top until I got
    22        there.
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    24   Q.   But if I was already under observation would it not have
    25        been the ideal opportunity to walk up to me?
    26        A.  I was not getting evidence against you, I was just
    27        observing you.  I wanted to see whether you exercised any
    28        control over that demonstration, over people on that
    29        demonstration.  That was my main interest in you and
    30        Gravett.  You were the only two I knew.
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    32   Q.   OK.  You then went back to your office, and you went to
    33        pick up your car at about 6 o'clock, just after?
    34        A.  Yes.
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    36   Q.   You drove out of the car park?
    37        A.  Yes.
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    39   Q.   Where was I at this time?
    40        A.  You were probably the nearest demonstrator to my car
         when I stopped to pull out into the High Street.
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    43   Q.   How long did you stop there for?
    44        A.  Seconds, until I was able to pull across the road.
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    46   Q.   It is quite a busy main road?
    47        A.  Very busy.
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    49   Q.   You have to be very careful?
    50        A.  Yes. 
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    52   Q.   Yes.  You would be keeping your eye on the road, watching 
    53        it carefully?
    54        A.  Yes, I just saw you as I pulled up to where would
    55        normally be a stop line.
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    57   Q.   You saw me in the same position?
    58        A.  No, I do not think you were in exactly the same
    59        position, you were much closer to the kerb.  You were just
    60        standing there and you still had some of the leaflets in