Day 250 - 15 May 96 - Page 35

     
     1        possible, and then to go for a writ and hope that that
     2        would lead to London Greenpeace agreeing to stop
     3        distributing the leaflet.
     4
     5   Q.   That is basically the usual procedure you go through?
     6        A.  That is the usual procedure -- with whom?
     7
     8   Q.   With all the other groups that you have served writs on,
     9        and people?
    10        A.  Yes, when we have served writs we have on occasions had
    11        people say 'That is enough, we will agree.  We will not
    12        publish it any more.'
    13
    14   Q.   So, were there any other ways in which you were intending
    15        to stop distribution or was that it -- serve a writ which
    16        either meant that there was a court case or that ----
    17        A.  Yes.
    18
    19   Q.   Right.
    20        A.  They would either agree or we would go to court and
         seek an injunction.
    22
    23   Q.   How would the photographs help in that?
    24        A.  Well, the idea was to show the people who were on the
    25        demonstration and that would be their starter for
    26        identifying the people responsible for controlling
    27        London Greenpeace.  It a starter for them, that was all.
    28        The rest was down to them.
    29
    30   Q.   But you saw...  Sorry, you saw the fact sheet being handed
    31        out on this demonstration?
    32        A.  Yes.
    33
    34   Q.   You were wanting to take legal action or some other kind of
    35        action to stop the distribution of this fact sheet?
    36        A.  Yes.
    37
    38   Q.   So would it not be the most sensible thing in the world to
    39        get photographs of people handing out this leaflet?
    40        A.  Well, one, I did not want the photographer to know that
         I was contemplating the action I was going to take, and all
    42        I could do was say, 'Get photographs of people involved in
    43        the demonstration.'  I did not point them in any direction,
    44        I did not point them towards any certain people, I just
    45        say, 'Go and get photographs of as many people as you can
    46        who are involved in the demonstration.'
    47
    48   Q.   Do you not trust Mr. Carroll?
    49        A.  Yes.
    50 
    51   Q.   Why should you not want him to know you were contemplating 
    52        litigation? 
    53        A.  Well, Ms. Steel, when you start an under-cover
    54        operation the less people who know about it, if something
    55        goes wrong the less people you have to blame.  You keep it
    56        to yourself.
    57
    58   Q.   But was it not more suspicious to say to Mr. Carroll,
    59        'I want you to get photographs of everybody on this
    60        demonstration' for no particular purpose than it would be