Day 131 - 06 Jun 95 - Page 27

     
     1   Q.   -- you will see a document called Management of
     2        Occupational Health and Safety in McDonald's Restaurants
     3        Limited?
     4        A.  Yes.
     5
     6   Q.   A report by the Accident Prevention Advisory Unit of the
     7        Health and Safety Executive?
     8        A.  Yes.
     9
    10   Q.   Dated August 1992.  Were you in any way involved in the
    11        making of this report or the invitation to the HSE to come
    12        and make it?
    13        A.  No, I was not.
    14
    15   Q.   You were not?
    16        A.  No.  I was aware of it.
    17
    18   Q.   Have you read it?
    19        A.  Yes, I have -- some while back, I have to say.
    20
    Q.   You will have noted, even if you cannot remember now, that
    22        it makes 23 different recommendations?
    23        A.  Yes, indeed.
    24
    25   Q.   You would have heard from Mrs. Barnes -- in fact, you did,
    26        because I know you came into court last week or the week
    27        before, when she was giving evidence?
    28        A.  Yes, I did.
    29
    30   Q.   -- that McDonald's implemented all 23 of those
    31        recommendations within 18 months?
    32        A.  Yes.
    33
    34   Q.   Two questions, from your point of view:  first of all, does
    35        the fact that McDonald's implemented those recommendations
    36        and accepted without qualification the report as being fair
    37        and balanced, suggest to your expert mind and your previous
    38        experience at McDonald's that the place was a shambles
    39        before this report came out?
    40        A.  No, indeed not.
    41
    42   Q.   How much of a look did you get at McDonald's before the end
    43        of 1991 and beginning of 1992?
    44        A.  I had been in a fair number of units and I had spent a
    45        lot of time talking with Jill about procedures, and so on
    46        and so forth, which started the ball rolling, in other
    47        words.
    48
    49   Q.   What did you make of the state of affairs at McDonald's, so
    50        far as health and safety was concerned, in what for you 
    51        were the early days of your relationship? 
    52        A.  That they are a concerned organisation, but there were 
    53        aspects which needed formalising.  That is the sort of
    54        thing Jill has been doing.  In other words, people would
    55        conduct an inspection, perhaps, but there may not be a
    56        written record of it in the sort of detail that they are
    57        now doing.  So it was always on the agenda, but certainly
    58        it has been given extra points since.
    59
    60   Q.   Generally speaking, what is your sense or feeling about