Day 118 - 01 May 95 - Page 12

     
     1        so it is .2 of a pence extra you are paying; between 7 p.m.
     2        and 11 p.m., the Wages Council say £2.36, you are paying
     3        £2.24?
     4        A.  Sorry, what year are you on?
     5
     6   Q.   1986.
     7        A.  Right, £2.24, yes.
     8
     9   Q.   So again you are paying .4 of a pence more?
    10        A.  Yes.
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    12   Q.   And between 11 p.m. and 7 a.m. the Wages Council say £2.485
    13        and you are paying £2.49?
    14        A.  Yes.
    15
    16   Q.   So that is .half pence more?
    17        A.  Yes.
    18
    19   Q.   So these do appear to be the minimum set for each of those
    20        time periods?
         A.  Yes.
    22
    23   Q.   In the end column it does say:  "In addition for all time
    24        worked over 39 hours a week" an extra, in the case of
    25        outside London, 99 pence?
    26        A.  Yes.
    27
    28   Q.   Per hour?
    29        A.  Yes.
    30
    31   Q.   Which you were not paying?
    32        A.  No.
    33
    34   Q.   No, you were not paying; that is correct?
    35        A.  No, we were not paying.
    36
    37   Q.   In more recent times, you are claiming, say, for 1989/90
    38        (which is the main period we are concerned about) that you
    39        did not have to pay overtime because of enhanced rates.
    40        Every time someone worked over 39 hours, are you seriously
         saying that someone would sit down and work out exactly how
    42        much the crew member would have been entitled to if they
    43        had been paid overtime and compared that with ----
    44        A.  No, I said that is what wages inspectors do when they
    45        come to do the payroll.  That is their check.
    46
    47   Q.   How often do the wages inspectors make those kind of
    48        checks?
    49        A.  I do not know -- fairly frequently.
    50 
    51   Q.   Once every six months, once every year? 
    52        A.  I have no idea.  That is the Payroll Department. 
    53
    54   Q.   It should be up to you to make sure that workers are
    55        getting the right amount of money, should it not, not up to
    56        the wages inspectorate?
    57        A.  Yes, and we did.
    58
    59   Q.   Who did?
    60        A.  Frequently the Personnel Department, always the Payroll