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     1        per cent Canadian beef.  In Europe, we use 100 per cent
     2        European Economic Community approved beef".  Do you
     3        remember before when we discussed this this morning we
     4        talked about EC approved beef, so within that category any
     5        imported beef that was approved by the EC under the quota
     6        system would be EC approved beef, would it not?
     7        A.  It would, yes.
     8
     9   Q.   So it seems from that, does it not, that the policy in
    10        terms of the corporation internationally is not that beef
    11        has to be raised in Europe, but it has to be beef that is
    12        approved so that would cover, in fact, the Brazilian
    13        consignment?
    14        A.  If it was EC approved, yes.
    15
    16   Q.   If you look on the fifth block down it says:  "In all
    17        countries, we use beef from cattle fed on corn and grass
    18        (alfalfa).  We don't buy beef from soy or soya-feed
    19        cattle"?
    20        A.  Yes.
    21
    22   Q.   So this policy, how come you have never seen this before
    23        then, or you were not aware of that policy?
    24        A.  Well, I have never been made aware of this.  As I said,
    25        it is an environmental policy which would have been handled
    26        by Mike Matthews.  He has not made me aware of this.
    27
    28   Q.   OK.  Then we cannot go much further on that then.  We will
    29        leave that one.
    30
    31   MS. STEEL:   Mr. Oakley, you have responsibility for the
    32        Communications Department; is that right?
    33        A.  Since 1992, yes.
    34
    35   Q.   You have responsibility for education packs and things like
    36        that?
    37        A.  No.  That responsibility passed to Communications
    38        Department around three weeks ago only.  Effectively, we do
    39        not have responsibility until January of next year.
    40
    Q.   Oh, so if Mr. Hawkes said that we need to ask you about
    42        education budgets, he was wrong then, was he?
    43        A.  Yes, as it applies to this case, yes.  He was probably
    44        aware that the responsibility is about to be passed over to
    45        Communications.
    46
    47   Q.   So a month ago was that his responsibility?
    48        A.  No.  It actually came under the Training Department.
    49
    50   Q.   Training Department? 
    51        A.  Yes. 
    52 
    53   Q.   Who was responsible for that then?
    54        A.  At the time we are talking about would have been Bill
    55        Tindale.  Today it is John Abberton but he has only
    56        recently taken over.
    57
    58   Q.   So have you had any involvement at all in getting
    59        McDonald's literature or anything like that into schools?
    60        A.  No, I have not.