Day 063 - 07 Dec 94 - Page 32

     
     1        material available in Finland".  Do you remember saying
     2        that?
     3        A.  Yes.
     4
     5   Q.   I want to ask you if you know what the reason for that
     6        state of affairs is, why is there only a small amount of
     7        recycled material?
     8        A.  Basically, because of the large amount of virgin fibre
     9        available in Finland.
    10
    11   Q.   Thank you.  Can I take you back -- I am sorry, this happens
    12        in re-examination, I am afraid; it is bound to -- have you
    13        still got pink Volume V?
    14        A.  Yes.
    15
    16   Q.   Turn please to tab 47, page 729.  This comes from a
    17        McDonald's US Environmental Affairs Newsletter, I think,
    18        1991/1992.  The top half of that page is a thick black
    19        line, do you see it?
    20        A.  Yes.
    21
    22   Q.   Then there is competing definitions or different
    23        definitions of Pre-consumer/Post-industrial Recycled
    24        Material on the left, there is Post-consumer/Recycled
    25        Material on the right?
    26        A.  Yes.
    27
    28   Q.   Have you those?
    29        A.  Yes.
    30
    31   Q.   I want you to look at the left-hand one which says:
    32         "Manufacturing waste generated during the intermediate
    33        steps of producing an end product, but excluding materials
    34        (such as mill broke) that are routinely internally recycled
    35        to make the same, or a very similar product."  Can you tell
    36        us from your own knowledge what is the difference between
    37        manufacturing waste generated during the intermediate steps
    38        of producing, let us say, paper on the one hand, on the
    39        other hand material such as mill broke that are routinely
    40        internally recycled?
         A.  The basic difference is that you basically recycle
    42        internally because the processes of recycling and your end
    43        product is all practically the same process.
    44
    45   Q.   But is that the first or the second half of that
    46        definition, you see, because they make a distinction, do
    47        they not?
    48        A.  Yes, as I said, that is excluded from any general ---
    49
    50   Q.   That is excluded? 
    51        A.  -- understanding of recycling. 
    52 
    53   Q.   That is what I had understood you to say earlier.  So what
    54        sort of material are we talking that is
    55        pre-consumer/post-industrial that can properly be called
    56        recycled?
    57        A.  For instance, if our cups supplier produces their
    58        blanks, they will -- a blank is a piece of paper; it has
    59        got a shape like that and it is later on formed into a cup
    60         -- you have to cut that out of a larger sheet, you always