Day 056 - 28 Nov 94 - Page 14

     
     1   Q.   Just going back to Canada, you said that the main concerns
     2        were on the West Coast; is that where there has been, if
     3        you might like to say, the environmental movement,
     4        certainly the ones they have concentrated on most, the West
     5        Coast's forest?
     6        A.  It would appear so.
     7
     8   Q.   As far as you know, is that true?
     9        A.  Yes, I mean environmental organisations do have their
    10        regional branches and will have local concerns.  That is
    11        normal, I think, everywhere.  It is part of the evolving
    12        progress in ecology.
    13
    14   Q.   But in terms of the main focus nationally in Canada has
    15        been, has it, by environmental groups, has that been on the
    16        West coast?
    17        A.  I think it would be fair to say that both nationally
    18        and internationally the West Coast has had more attention
    19        on environmental issues.
    20
    Q.   Is it true that the Timber Trade Federation or
    22        representatives of it -- let me just read out a section
    23        from Mr. Hopkins's statement.  It is on page 18.  I hope we
    24        have all the same statement; there have been a changing of
    25        page numbers.  On page 18 are your first words "imply
    26        absolute ecological"?
    27        A.  Yes, they are.
    28
    29   Q.   5.2.10, underneath that, can you just read to that yourself
    30        and, first of all, just say is it true, then I will ask you
    31        some questions about it.
    32        A.  With the exception of the fact that Mr. Michael James
    33        is not "Michelle" James, it is otherwise as stated,
    34        I believe.
    35
    36   Q.   So, that is a true record of the facts?
    37        A.  Let me just read the statement he has made.  He is
    38        quoted "as telling a TTF member whose advertisements had
    39        found at fault by the ASA that 'the right way is to avoid
    40        talking about sustainability.  We find it easier to talk
         about well-managed forests instead'."  Mr. Michael James
    42        has told me he has no conscious recollection of having made
    43        that statement to a member at the time.  This is as quoted
    44        by the Timber Trade's Journal, not a statement that he has
    45        actually written or made himself.
    46
    47   Q.   So the Timber Trade Journal has quoted him inaccurately or
    48        he just does not remember saying it?
    49        A.  He is not aware.  He said to me he is not aware of
    50        having made that statement.  May I actually state, though, 
    51        that well-managed forests are the important future that has 
    52        been progressed through all the forestry of the world, and 
    53        is an extremely important feature.  Talking about
    54        sustainability is difficult for anybody sitting in this
    55        country to talk about sustainability in terms of wildlife
    56        and ecology; whereas it is very easy for us to talk about
    57        how well the forests are managed from a sustainability
    58        point of view.  If that was his interpretation, that may be
    59        relevant but, in point of fact, he has no recollection of
    60        having said those words that are written there and that