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     1        banned during the 70s.
 
     2   Q.   What was the reason they were banned?
              A.  I do not know.
     3
         Q.   Would it be fair to say they were banned because it was
     4        felt they might be damaging to the ozone layer?
              A.  I do not know.  Let me just -- can I just expand a
     5        minute on that?
 
     6   Q.   I believe it was 1978, to be fair, that Congress banned
              the use of aerosols?
     7        A.  That sounds correct.  As far as my knowledge of the
              banning of CFCs in our business, that issue did not arise
     8        until -- the very issue of the ozone depletion effect did
              not come about, to my knowledge, until the mid 1980s.
     9
         Q.   But were you aware that environmental groups were raising
    10        this issue from the late 70s, the general production of
              CFC use?
    11        A.  No, I am not aware of that.  I am only aware that
              issue coming out in the mid 1980s.  The information that
    12        we based that on is on scientific journals and scientific
              documents.
    13
         Q.   You said that solid waste was also an issue in the 1980s?
    14        A.  Correct; more so at the beginning, towards the end of
              the 80s.
    15
         Q.   There were protests regarding landfill space, is that
    16        correct, availability of landfill space?
              A.  Could you explain to me what you mean?
    17
         Q.   Concern, protests, attempted legislation around -- what
    18        was the nature of the concern?  Was it just the amount of
              landfill space that was available, or was it the content
    19        of what was going in the landfill space?
              A.  First of all, I am not aware what Mr. Morris is
    20        referring to in terms of protests against landfills.
              I have no knowledge of that, but let me explain to you
    21        what the issue was, what the facts were.
 
    22        What happened in the 1980s is landfill management really
              was not landfill management before the mid 1980s.  The
    23        situation in America was basically we had uncontrolled
              disposal of solid waste into -- many people in America
    24        call them "dumps", "dump sites".  They were uncontrolled
              which caused a lot of problems with odour, excessive
    25        methane being emitted from the landfill and leeching of
              chemicals etc. into the ground water and into the land. 
    26 
              What happened during the 80's was a concern of everybody, 
    27        that the control of landfills needed to be attended to.
              So what happened during the 80s was a tightening of
    28        regulations such that instead of having these open dump
              sites, there were many regulations that were formulated to
    29        basically make landfills a, I would call it "a storage
              space".  So that, instead of things being exposed to the
    30        environment, the idea was to line the landfills and
              protect it so that degradation would not occur and things

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